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This is my reaction to Chapter V, just listened to it for the first time. My initial reaction is that I feel it is a better sounding record than 14 shades of grey.
I feel like the songs "Devil", Paper jesus, run away, schizophrenic Conversation and Cross to Bear are strong tracks. It seems aaron is angry more on this album than 14 shades. What I dont like about the lbum is aaron seems to continue to almost have an upbeat and happy tone about his childhood. Seems like he isnt as angry as he once was. The song Falling, seems like a slap in the face, where he suggests that if you feel you can get back up you have solved the problem. Or in Everything Changes or Take This where he expresses anger, but seems to suggest he doesnt want to feel this way, or doesnt feel this way anymore. I dont feel like Aaron should have to feel upset or angry or mad, I dont wish that on anyone. But I identify and can relate with his lyrics on earlier albums about childhoods and anger and parents. The earlier albums seemed to SPECIFICALLY talk about his childhood, but the later albums he seems to just want people to forgive him, and he wants to forgive his parents and his unhappy childhood. I know I am not the only one who relates to the lyrics, The song Reply talks directly about the people who have been touched by his lyrics. I am stuck, I want Aaron to be happy, but I dont feel that way about my own childhood or my parents. I cant just agree with aaron when he says "I can forgive and I am not afraid to be the person I am today". The musicians who speak about their childhoods are far and few inbetween, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder and now Aaron have left that in the past. How can someone go from "Just Go" "Home" and "Excess Baggage" to some of the more sunnier and happy songs on these albums? I am angry but the suggestion that if only one "believes they can find a way out" and then everything will be ok is ridiculous. Aaron had a bad childhood no matter if he believed he could make it, or not. I wish aaron would remember those "tear filled" kids he refered to in Reply. Aaron we need you to still speak out. Some of us arent at that "forgiveness" stage yet! |
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The cd was old 2 weeks after it was relased.
I don't really like it anymore. As much as I love Staind I'm really getting bored with them. I give you my destiny, I'm giving you all of me |
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want angry?
listen to Slayer _________________________  myspace.com/markbgm |
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I know That everyone seems to be Bored with Staind right now and thats ok. I have been listening to Staind since a Death in the Family this music has helped me alot with Anger and Insecurity Issues. I mean I think Aaron Lewis is Moving past his Issues he's had in the Past I think I could Relate to that I also can relate to how he Feels about his Wife how could someone who isnt all that , but all in all I cant stop listening to it its better Than that Rap Crap u know... anyways nothing much to Rant about except for I'm soo mad " something like me " will never be Played on CD or anything else .. okay Im done...
" Like voices in the rain , Like a song without a name , Like Angel's Wing's & Wispering's Of Love we lost & found along the way"- Staind ' Lost Along The Way' |
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Staindsfan04,
I agree it is great Aaron seems to not be as angry as he once was. I wish him the best. I just know for me personally For You and other songs expressed and express currently my life and my parents. It hurts that Aaron would say things like he did in Falling. Dealing with difficult childhoods is tough, but I think its simplistic of him to say if only he would have felt like he would have had a way out then that solves his problems. Aaron would have written Excess baggage even if he would have felt like he had a way out during childhood. I just think, he was SO ANGRY in earlier albums, and now it seems he just sees things as forgivness. Forgivness is good, but if he forgives his parents for his childhood does that take any of the pain away. He still had a bad childhood. He just seems to be too happy. Saying "I dont want this, and I dont need this, and I dont feel this". Seems to be speaking about his feelings about his past. Its a slap on the face. Plain and simple. I relate to the earlier albums but 14 shades and Chapter V are not about his childhood. As he said in excess baggage, he will carry the scars around for the rest of his life. |
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who wants to look back on their childhood for the rest of their life? i know i dont. but thats what the older albums are for. and anger gets old after a while. just my two cents anyways
bye. |
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brokenspleen,
I think the cliche is that teens are all angry and all have angst. But aaron and others seemed to be different. Aaron had a horrific childhood, and when he was 26 or so, he was asked about his songs and he said, something to the effect of that he would never stop writing angry songs because he had such as tough childhood. As I stated in all the other threads, I dont want aaron to be upset and angry. I think its wonderful he seems to have improved in so many ways in his life since Tormented. Thats awesome. My main point was its not like aaron;s parents didnt buy him a present he wanted for his birthday or he wasnt allowed to buy Nintendo. he went through some horrific things. Your right, no one should have to dwell on their childhood for the rest of their lives, but for aaron, it seems like it would be something he may have to deal with the rest of his life. As I stated before listen to Excess Baggage, he specifically claims that the anger he is feeling will be with him his whole life. I disagree anger doesnt get old, if thats how you feel. Aaron's childhood obviously is painful and dark, and I was just expressing my frustration, that I feel like one of those kids he talks about in Reply. But many of the last two albums songs seem to say to those kids who relate to aaron's lyrics that all they need to do is forgive and that if you dont believe you can find a way out, you are your own problem. Seems to me, aaron has a valid justification for being angry and upset. I am just surprised it has been this quick and blunt. The stuff he went through, I dont think its something that just goes away, which is what surprises me about his more happier and nonangsty songs the last two albums. To summarize, I relate to what aaron went through, and relate to the words he says. But I am not at the point of forgiveness yet. |
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it also is strange he calls his anger a "dysfunctional routine". Its not like he asked to be abused or neglected. Its not of his own making. To suggest those who are abused and neglected are the problem is out of line and it makes me rather upset.
Aaron seems to have forgotten his quotes that "people seem to be teetering on every word I say". And his Reply song is talking about fans who relate to his angst. Will those fans have a better life if they just forgive? Does an unhappy childhood become great once a child forgives? Does the person in Excess Baggage feel happy and erase the scars and anger when they forgive and arent angry. |
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dude look. no matter what aaron says, he will carry that with him. we all know something like that doesnt go away, no matter what you say. there is however nothing wrong with trying to cope and give yourself and others hope by saying "you can find a way out". you can. he has a beautiful family, and he can "let some of that anger fade". there comes a time where you have to put the past in the past.
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its called growing as a person. If you dwell on a crappy childhood you end up leading a crappy life, no matter how rich you get, how famous you become, or how many people idolize you, you won't be happy.
He apparently realized that at some point, probably after getting married and having a child, and has obviously taken steps to correct what he himself describes repeatedly as dysfunction. If I had to guess, most of the forgivness he's asking for is from the people in his life now, his wife, child, friends, etc. for things he's done, as a problematic childhood can and most likely will have an effect on how you interact with others even if you have undergone therapy, gotten medication, or simply somehow forced yourself to change. Not for his past. I loved Dysfunction and I've really enjoyed seeing the progession of the band through the albums, I don't find them to be boring in the least, if you're just looking for pointless rage, listen to rap and hardcore, there's plenty of it there. |
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No I think what He's saying is he doesnt want to Go thru the Hurt and the Pain that he had before and he cant Take it. Run away it seems like he wants to run away from how he feels or avoidance I know how that feels and schizo and Cross to bear and Devil I think It just helps him deal with More Things... thats How I see it and its Great he's trying to get better. " Like voices in the rain , Like a song without a name , Like Angel's Wing's & Wispering's Of Love we lost & found along the way"- Staind ' Lost Along The Way' |
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I didnd't read any of that but I want a ridiculously high post count, so I have to reply anyway.... |
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hail the KIng OF Empty POsts
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!....You pussy....'I wish my rockstars were miserable, I wish they were sad like me'....Come on man, how about taking a leaf out of their books, and just...growing up?.....how long can you be angry at your parents?.... |
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I try.... |
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until they buy him the pony he wants ------------------------------ Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here. |
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I disagree about ALL of the things you said about the meanings of the songs--- do a little research on the band's history & maybe you can piece together the more reasonable meanings!!!! You make me angry!!
-_-This is written to "y"-_- ~Emily //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ Many have I loved - Many times been bitten Many times I've gazed along the open road. Many times I've lied - Many times I've listened Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. Many dreams come true and some have silver linings I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold. "Over the Hills and Far Away" -Led Zeppelin |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| “Dead as dead can be,” my doctor tells me But I just can’t believe him, ever the optimistic one I’m sure of your ability to become my perfect enemy Wake up and face me, don’t play dead cause maybe Someday I will walk away and say, “You disappoint me,” Maybe you’re better off this way Leaning over you here, cold and catatonic I catch a brief reflection of what you could and might have been It's your right and your ability To become…my perfect enemy… "Passive" -A Perfect Circle |
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we should tar & feather that sonuva bitch... what was he thinking having his own opinion?! ------------------------------ Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here. |
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Its not that he had his "own opinion" because I'm sure its what a lot of people think -- because thats the way that the members of Staind want you to think-- but its the fact that "y" was just laying it on so thick! I hate how people try to make you have the same opinion as them!!! Especially if they suck at it!!! Plus if YOU actually listened to Staind you would know that what "y" is saying doesn't fit w/ what the song is saying! ~Emily //\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\//\\ Many have I loved - Many times been bitten Many times I've gazed along the open road. Many times I've lied - Many times I've listened Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. Many dreams come true and some have silver linings I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold. "Over the Hills and Far Away" -Led Zeppelin |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| “Dead as dead can be,” my doctor tells me But I just can’t believe him, ever the optimistic one I’m sure of your ability to become my perfect enemy Wake up and face me, don’t play dead cause maybe Someday I will walk away and say, “You disappoint me,” Maybe you’re better off this way Leaning over you here, cold and catatonic I catch a brief reflection of what you could and might have been It's your right and your ability To become…my perfect enemy… "Passive" -A Perfect Circle |
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i'm just bustin balls. BUT most artists will want you to make your own interpretation of a song, regardless of how lyrics are arranged, because it could be a metaphor. For instance, Tool's song 'Stinkfist', if you read the lyrics the most probable assumption would be that its about fisting, but in a metaphoric level, it could mean that society has gotten so complacent that they need to do something shocking to get a reaction. But since we're talking about Staind, none of this probably applies since most of everything he says is pretty straightforward ------------------------------ Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven conscious of his fleeting time here. |
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