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I think this song could make it big as the next single. It's one that would definitely appeal to the masses.
another good video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dhf7fNXXcE |
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So it can be beaten down and abused like Second Chance? Fuck that, a song such as Call Me shouldn't have to be subjected to such nonsensical chicanery. The Crow and the Butterfly and Call Me are the two best tracks on SOM and are also two beautiful songs that do not deserve the redundancy that the radio provides. The radio has already tried to ruin Second Chance, don't let it happen to Call Me or Crow!
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I agree it's bloody stupid how much Second Chance is being played, played all the time, bringing in loads of new fans and sales and doing more than any other single to date to improve the rep of the band and the possibility that they'll be able to come back to our home towns so we can see them again.
Fucking idiotic. GUYS, RELEASE A SONG THAT WILL DO FUCK ALL ON THE RADIO SO WE CAN KEEP YOU TO OURSELVES. SUCCESS IS FOR LOSERS!!@!!!~!~!~!~#!~!!!!dick!~!~12#! - raymond Break your silence and tell them who you are, they’re all witness to a shooting star... |
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agree with ray.
hey dad, is it cool that they play Sound of madness every 2 hours on all rock stations? hmm that must mean its a shitty song? dude come on, bands get popular, and you should be glad. Second chance is a great song, and shinedown deserves this. I agree call me should be the final single, maybe release Crow next, then a heavier one either cry for help or cyanide, then put call me as the last one in late 10'. ----------------------------------------- "I don't wear a mask..and I have no regrets!" Formally//Apodrocks www.myspace.com/apod44 |
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wow, you guys are taking my comments way out of proportion. Shinedown can have successful singles, and they have. I'm not objecting to that. What I am objecting to is using Crow and Call Me as singles. Even if you don't single out songs, they can still get airplay on the radio. Two of Pearl Jams most successful songs were never singles "Black" and "Daughter" were not singles yet got a lot of airtime on the radio because Pearl Jam was just that good and just that popular. Why can't SD protect a song like PJ did?
Yeah, I'm an idiot because I don't want Call Me or Crow and the Butterfly to be destroyed like Second Chance...sorry. For every new fan that song creates, it destroys someone who used to like the band. My beef isn't with Shinedown, it's with the radio. When you overplay a song you devalue it's meaning, it's the system music is stuck in and it sucks. This is why I don't listen to the radio, I listen to my iPod and control what I want to hear and check this out. I listen to the SOM, and I like every song. But God forbid, someone with a varying opinion other than "hip-hip-hooray" comes on here and says it. This album has enough mustard to NOT single out Call Me and Crow, like someone else said single out a mid tempo song, a heavy song, then a slow one. My preference? I would like the band to showcase more of their heavy songs, they have the success with Second Chance, now focus on a heavy hit. |
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Why has Second Chance been "destroyed" though? It's getting a lot of airplay. This is what we fans should hope happens with their singles. Is it destroyed becuase of the new fans it's bringing in? Well, if anyone thinks that, then they're selfish, fickle idiots. You can't hate on a new fan for coming in due to a slightly more commerically appealing tune than you/we did. We can't all fall in deep deep nerdy love with a band after discovering a song that stops us slitting our wrists. Some people like catchy songs and check out the band afterwards. It happens. It doesn't devalue the meaning of the song to play it a lot, it just gets on a few people's nerves for whatever reason. But for every one who thinks HM THIS AGAIN GRR I AM REALLY ANNOYED, there'll always be another bunch hearing for the first time and thinking "hmm damn good, I bet their drummer has dreads and a deep, manly, intoxicating voice..." You have to play a song a lot on the radio. The hardcore listeners will always hear, it's the casual people you're trying to catch. In terms of "god forbid someone with an opinion..." well, there's a fair bit of negativity here, it's not like you're the first person to be negative and being jumped on for it. So don't give me that old line, just keep discussing back. Or... wait, I should say GOD FORBID SOMEONE QUESTION THE NEGATIVITY~!~!~!!~!~!~ Here's me thinking this was a discussion board. :P - raymond Break your silence and tell them who you are, they’re all witness to a shooting star... |
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Well I certainly have to disagree with you on the overplaying of songs. Most people who listen to the radio, listen to it all the time. Therefore when one song is played over and over again, it grinds on one's patience. How many times can you hear this one song? For the casual listener, they want variety, a different song...not the same one they just hear an hour ago, or yesterday, or for the past week everyday...maybe even three or four times each of those days. It's annoying, and for that first time listener, they'll hear Second Chance and think "hmm, damn good." But after the umpteenth time they start to think "really? again? Man, I liked this song but the radio is just killing it!" The hardcore fans (aka people on this board) will always be happy to hear a SD song on the radio. But for the casual listener, who can get sick of their songs, it's a bad system. I have a friend who liked LAW and U&T, and Devour. Yet, the last I talked to him he said SOM sucked a bag of dicks, and I was a little shocked. Then I realized, "oh, it's the radio's fault." This guy like tunes like Burning Bright and I Dare You...but the overplaying of Second Chance destroyed the song for him and probably tempered his view on the entire album (which I gave to him earlier). And on the idea of Second Chance being destroyed is, for that casual listener, who wants to hear that same song...again and again? I understand your point that someone else is going to hear for the first time, but once they do they'll hear it a thousand times and get sick of it. Because that's how quick this stuff happens! If the charts were based solely on how the single actually sells I would shut my mouth because my argument would be baseless. But it's based on how much it's played on radio stations...I think the whole system needs a revamp...play songs less often, actually tell you the name and artist and say "If you liked that song, go download it for a buck!" And holy moly a successful single can be based on how well the single sells. You can find holes in that system too, it won't be perfect but for the listening public they'll get more variety on the radio then they do now.
Anyways, about the negativity...my "negativity" isn't aimed at the band...as some people's complaints are. It's aimed at this big fucking entity that has done everything in its power to destroy music. MTV, VH1, the radio are all tools of these corporate fuckhounds who take artists and look to bleed them dry and once they are done with the band they leave 'em to die...without so much as a "thanks for making us money." Many people who come on here have some innane reason for hating the band now. I have and always have loved this band, and as I said before these series of posts are not a reflection of any ill will I have for the band. the source of my ire is and always will be the music media. Getting music to the people is important, but so is keeping the music (for lack of a better word) scarce so when one hears the song, it sounds like it should and not be blinded by a bias of anger and impatience due to overabundant plays. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but more so as a gentleman with a different point of view and if my posts have sounded different I apologize, and wish to extend a gentlemanly (virtual) handshake.  |
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Hmmmmmmm I'm too fizzled out (not due to this, other stuffs going on) to reply in detail, but in short...
1. I see what you mean about the radio thing. I just think if someone hears the same song again, why not just switch over? There's pluses and negatives though, we covered it all. 2. Yeah, the man sucks a big one. But whattaya gonna do? All is well, I got no beef here... - raymond Break your silence and tell them who you are, they’re all witness to a shooting star... |
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I understand your view, and I get what your saying. I only listen to second chance acoustic now, because ive heard that song a million fucking times. Same with my favorite song save me. I think its a good thing, but im really not a radio listener so ill look at your view, i mean i really know that that song is huge and is played alot, and i know it would get annoying! and yeah man no hard feelings. were all in this as fans of the best band!  ----------------------------------------- "I don't wear a mask..and I have no regrets!" Formally//Apodrocks www.myspace.com/apod44 |
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Call Me shouldn't be the next Shinedown single for one reason: it is a pop-format song. On other boards, I see people comparing SD to te Jonas Brothers just because of Second Chance and the fact that's the only song they know. Headbangers act like they are little wimps and laugh at posts by me and others who say that they are a hard rock band. I get responses like "'Hard Rock.' Oh you kiddies are so funny." Shinedown needs to make sure they release their Hard Rock material (Which I find better anyway) to keep the Mainstream from turning them int Nickelback. I have to give it to Nickelback, they showed some promise in "Burn it to the Ground", but the album as a whole sucks ass. SD needs to keep their image correct. A song like Second Chance works as a single because it is a rock song with crossover appeal. Calll Me is entirely Top 40, and if they release that as their next single, that will alter their image greatly because of how popular that song would become. We'd be pulling in the Jonas Brothers crowd. (I have no problem with converts, but that song doesn't have what it takes to make someone switch sides.) If they wre to release such a song, it would only work if they did a Theory of a Deadman-esque move and simultaneosly released Sin with a Grin or Cyanide as a single so they'd be pulling in Top 40 and Rock fans at the same time. But, above all, I think entirely that What a Shame should be the fourth and final single. 45 proved the success of edgy ballads. 45 is still their most well-known song (other than Second Chance, but that point is moot.)
Guess Who's Back...... FORMERLY KNOWN AS DEAGLED THE GREAT MOUNTAIN DEW BOTTLE IN THE SKY MR. GERBIL ------------- Dogs think they are human. Cats think they are God.- Unknown We once worshipped felines and they have been planning to force us to do so again for the ten thousand years since. Join the RFA so we can stop this from happening! MOST ANTICIPATED MUSIC Korn - 2010 Puddle of Mudd - Vol 4: Songs in the Key of Love & Hate - 2009 Flyleaf - Memento Mori - 2009 Mudvayne - Game Over - 12-22-09  LAST MOVIES SEEN Zombieland - 9.2/10 Crank: High Voltage - 9.3/10 Funny People - 9.5/10 Transformers 2 in IMAX - 4/10 Up - 9.2/10 The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 - 8.7/10 Drag Me to Hell - 9.3/10  |
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I hate seing this rsdio argument. Songs like Light My Fire or any song by The Beatles were played literally every three minutes. Did that ruin the song? No. However, it did get the song out to millions of people and helped give it a spot in history. People complain how nobody knew who Shinedown was, and now that they're getting fame, people complain that the radio is ruining their songs. Sorry, but that's the way it works.
And about the Pearl Jam comparison. The radio just doesn't work that way anymore. Program directors control far too much of what gets played and what doesn't. Since all the radio stations are owned by a small amount of companies, they all have similar playlists. Something like "Black" couldn't happen again because without the label pushing singles, songs just don't get played anymore. |
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My thoughts! They should show that they are a rock band, to avoid confusion. Imagine a pop-listener liking Call me and buying the album? That would give him quite a shock, and worse: a feeling of deception. I don't know about Second Chance being played to much since it's very very rarely played here. But that's what you release singles for, isn't it? To be played on the radio, the more the better. And if someone stops liking Shinedown just because of one song getting too much airplay - that's just stupid. Someone show this person how to change radio stations  I've got a simple fear, I think someone will come just to put me away, into a cage, where I never can see the sun  |
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You would really stop releasing singles after What A Shame? Every single so far has hit # 1. Why would they do that? Also, you say that people compare Shinedown to the Jonas Brothers because they only know Second Chance. Shinedown has released Fly From The Inside, Save Me, Heroes, Devour & The Sound of Madness already. Most of those songs have received heavy airplay on rock stations. They obviously must only be listening to top 40 stations if they only know Second Chance... |
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I only heard second chance played alot on the rock radio stations, when it was first released back in what September?
----------------------------------------- "I don't wear a mask..and I have no regrets!" Formally//Apodrocks www.myspace.com/apod44 |
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Releasing more than four singles from an 11-track album is overdoing it. The typical radio lifespa of a succsful album is three singles (i.e. Disturbed, Seether) but now Shinedown has just about overpowered those bands in popularity, so 4 seems fair. But bands like Nickelback and Theory of a Deadman releasing 5 singles. That's not neccesary. The only way I wouldn't mind that is if SD used the aforementioned move where they simultaneously release Call Me and a heavier song. Not only does a 4 single lifespan help keep people from getting tired of their music, it makes more hype for the next album from the casual listening crowd... What I've Done was successful almost entirely because of the massive gap between the last single and itself. Making the people be patient pays off. EDIT: I'm not asking for SD to make the album for 3 years or anything, but What I've Done was just son successful it made an easy comparison. In fact, I'm not asking the band to do anything. I'm just stating my feelings on the topic. SD is still in charge here, remember... Guess Who's Back...... FORMERLY KNOWN AS DEAGLED THE GREAT MOUNTAIN DEW BOTTLE IN THE SKY MR. GERBIL ------------- Dogs think they are human. Cats think they are God.- Unknown We once worshipped felines and they have been planning to force us to do so again for the ten thousand years since. Join the RFA so we can stop this from happening! MOST ANTICIPATED MUSIC Korn - 2010 Puddle of Mudd - Vol 4: Songs in the Key of Love & Hate - 2009 Flyleaf - Memento Mori - 2009 Mudvayne - Game Over - 12-22-09 LAST MOVIES SEEN Zombieland - 9.2/10 Crank: High Voltage - 9.3/10 Funny People - 9.5/10 Transformers 2 in IMAX - 4/10 Up - 9.2/10 The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 - 8.7/10 Drag Me to Hell - 9.3/10 |
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